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Would be really nice to have selectable frame rate caps in console games. 30, 40, 60 and even 120. Lots of people are not as sensitive to frame drops and find variable 40-60 perfectly fine. From what Todd said about the frame rate it sounds like it would be pretty decent on a VRR display. Selectable frame rates would also be awesome for playing these games on future consoles

I think the last thing xbox needs is new hardware. The product line is already rather confusing to anyone but enthusiasts and had divided up features in a strange way. People that are more budget conscious get a XSS, but then can't take advantage of low priced disc games and their OGxbox and 360 discs. Have to buy again digital. A digital XSX would have made more sense than the S

@Ashadelo more than likely not the Series S causing any issue with this game. Probably a CPU bottle neck like Gotham Knights was. If the XSX is at 4k 30fps even a 1080p 60fps should have been very easy to implement if ram or gpu was the limit. This has all the signs of CPU bottle neck

@Banjo- So you consider it trolling when you get called out for false statements?

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@BAMozzy @themightyant What I said is that there are Xbox games that are literally the Windows version (true) and that devkits are exactly the same for Windows and Xbox (true).

You are telling BAMozzy and themightygiant they are wrong, but they are not. Both things you label as true are false and now you are trying to deflect off your false statements by talking about direct x and ease of porting.

@Banjo- I didn't say anything was expensive or difficult. And that article was just about direct x.

You are now pivoting to easy porting to Xbox from same code on Xbox.

Why have you not addressed your statement about the development kit being the same? (it's not) Or provides one example of a game that uses the same version? Surely if you know of even one it would be easy enough to say what it is.

@Banjo- what if the game uses Vulkan and not direct x? Why aren't we seeing most of the Steam store on Xbox?

You are confusing graphics APIs with dev kits. Your statement about the GDK is false. And you did not provide an example of a game that uses the same "version" on Xbox as windows.

@Banjo- windows games do, but one that does could not just run on Xbox. It would need to be built in GDKX. You seem to be confused on what DirectX is. It is not a development kit. Nothing in that article supports what you are saying.

Both of your statements you said are true are actually false.

@Banjo- there is a different dev kit that is used for Xbox called GDKX, so that statement is definitely not true. They are about 80% similar, but not the same.

What games use the same code on Xbox that it uses for windows? It must be some very simple UWP flash style stuff that does not use any hardware/graphics acceleration.

@TheSimulator are you saying Halo 5 is the peak of the Halo series? Because Staten was there for all the other ones

@Dezzy70 I actually feel the Ori games are incredible, loved both of them and feel like they are an awesome console exclusive for Xbox. Not actually Xbox Studios games though. Will of the Wisps also looks incredible on XSX, probably my favorite exclusive on Xbox this generation. Sadly being a 2d Metroidvania it doesn't really get much attention

@Dezzy70 it does seem like a trend that will continue to get worse honestly. I see lots of people saying they won't pay for a game that performs better on PS5 "wait for it to hit GP" Same with reviews, if game gets lower than an 8 on Metacritic or has mixed reviews...."wait for it to be on GP"

If sales on Xbox versions of games are poor the issues are only going to get worse. Throw in all the LaZy DeVs crap that people say, well it's no wonder Xbox is getting lower priority. Imagine being accused of laziness when you have so much more work to do on Xbox for far less sales

@Dezzy70 PS5 is not performing better in every game though, Dead Space Remake for example. There are probably a few other recent ones as well with XSX beating out ps5. Just seems like way less big games using Xbox as lead platforms, for a few obvious reasons

@Wheatly how well does it run on Steam Deck though? Also the Steam Deck has a lot more ram, it actually meets the recommended spec. XSS is just 2gb above minimum to run. Not even factoring in the 4gb vram on the min spec that needs to be dealt with

@deadmaker because ps5 development is not tied to ps4. If it was required for a dev to release a ps4 version beside the ps5 version I'm sure we would be hearing about it being a horrible pain

I could see this game having a problem with the ram amount and speed on the XSS. It was probably developed PC first around a bigger and faster ram pool.

@Tharsman Elden Ring was

41% PS
30% XBOX
29% PC

It makes sense that some devs focus on PS versions of games. They are familiar with the development tools, only one target next gen platform and in most cases far more sales. Would anyone here like to work harder for a 1/3 of the money? I'm guessing not!

I'm sure we will see XSX shine when Forza is released this year. And hopefully a few more titles that really let the XSX stretch it's legs. Fable and whatever the Coalition are working in will no doubt be impressive

@themightyant Kind of a long article, but but some interesting stuff in it.

https://simplehomecinema.com/2021/01/10/xbox-series-x-versus-playstation-5-performance/

@mousieone Saints Row sold better on Xbox than PS? That's bizarre, and maybe another reason why some devs will go for PS first.

@Sebatrox probably skews the numbers a bit going off Japanese sales for xbox. Are there numbers for consoles sold in North America?

Does anyone know if there is a way to still run the One X version on XSX? Looked and ran great. Would rather go back to that than this 💩

@Green-Bandit guess I took what you said out of context then. Ironically the only game we know much about on your list IS coming out on PS5, Atomic Heart

@Green-Bandit I don't think we have seen anything from 5 of the 7 games you listed. I have been a gamer for 33 years, I don't get excited about a game getting named or know anyone that does. Games like ES6 could be 8 years out and nothing is known about it. We will be well into a new console generation by the time we see it. Seems a bit ridiculous to say someone is not a gamer because they aren't excited about that

I can't help but feel this game is vaporware. Something about is just off. I hope not as it looks like something I would really enjoy

@UndyingInsurgent95 Series S has slower and less ram than one x. CPU is a lot stronger though

@JayJ yeah, fanboys say fanboy *****. The problem is many long time xbox fans have the same sentiment and feel like they have been misled. Not everyone is ok with replaying old games for years

Most games get played for decades. This would be nothing special or new. What a strange comment

@Blessed_Koz I would guess Sony is losing quite a bit less than Xbox.
Lower CU count, more units produced, more common parts between digital/disc vs XSX/XSS plus the higher price.

@Titntin Yeah, Game Pass needs more Xbox titles. The only ones I remember really being into have been FH4 and FH5. Ironically all the other standout games for me recently have been timed exclusives. Death's Door, Sable, Scorn, Tunic, Gunk... maybe a few others I'm forgetting have been timed exclusives as well. Also a bunch of what I'm looking forward to is timed exclusive, Stalker 2, High on Life and WH:Darktide come to mind. Not sure if this factors into people's perceived value of Game Pass, but it may effect those considering jumping over from Playstation. Or I'm just cursed to like times exclusives for some reason

Very excited for this as well! Also nice to hear how good Xbox was to work with on this unique looking game

@themightyant I like Spencer as well, he really turned Xbox around and in my eyes saved it. He is also seems to actually understand games on more than a business level. He just seems to talk out both sides of his mouth and it's a bit too easy to see

@themightyant Yeah, the quote is very short, no context and worded odd. He is also getting a little hard to believe as time goes on

@UltimateOtaku91 There was a lot of confusion when revenue was talked about before. It seems PXB has just picked up on another sites headline and not done any research

@D3layedreaction that doesn't mean they made that much, just collected that much. Unless they share how much GamePass costs to operate we don't know how much it actually profits. I doubt they would talk about raising prices unless there was a good reason

@Somebody yes, but that doesn't mean it generates profit. I don't see where to listen to the whole podcast, but as it stands none of the quotes from Spencer say GamePass is profitable, just talks about revenue. As it stands the title of this article is not accurate from anything quoted. It is very possible Phil Spencer said GamePass is profitable, but this article or the Verge one do not show it

This is sooo cool!!

I can imagine Bill Gates with his hand out while staring at Phil Spencer

@Beermonkey good choice on going with the XSX. Where I live it costs almost as much as a XSX to get a XSS and 512gb card to make storage equal. I had a friend get a XSS at launch and she she couldn't have the two games she wanted to play installed at the same time.

@Banjo- Interestingly the best emulation I have tried for NES/Genesis games is on..... Dreamcast! Nester 7.1 and Gens4dreams, swear it feels faster than my PC and XSX for response time. Also some Neo Geo games I have noticed are better on Dreamcast than other emulation I have tried. I find the ACA version of Aero Fighters 2 unplayable on new consoles compared to the Dreamcast. Even using a vga to hdmi and Brook controller converter it is still way better. Was thinking of trying some emulation on Wii U to see what it's like. Or just get a Mister and be done with it

@PhileasFragg One thing you may notice is input lag. Software emulators always have it, and for me can be quite distracting and frustrating for fast precision games. Shmups and fast 2d platformers seem the worst, specially games I am familiar with already. If a game feels harder, unfair or frustrating consider this aspect

I don't have a lot of time for gaming, so I get very frustrated when I turn it on and can't play right away. Windows updates, new drivers, controller setup, bluetooth pairing, VOIP ect. Steam was resetting my settings in Half Life 2 randomly when I played it, controls and video. I wanted to take hammer to the damn thing🤬 Games in recent memory that stood out for stutter are Stray, Elden Ring and Chernobylite. I ended playing all 3 on console because I felt my experience was being compromised with the stutter. Specially Chernobylite, I found it completely immersion breaking

@SplooshDmg Maybe also the games we play, but I do seem to notice it easily. Lots are stutter free on PC, I apparently just dont play them. I'm not about frame analysis either, just want things to run smooth an be hassle free. This new gen of consoles has been so good that is maybe also why I have cared less about PC. PC has almost become my classics platform, the last 2 games I played where Half Life(the OG, not Black Mesa) and Baldurs Gate 2. Definitely don't need much power for that. If some more really cool games come out on PC that are demanding I may just cave and get a 4090 build, but I don't see anything on the horizon honestly

@Titntin It was pretty funny that he accused others of being angry. Also his claims of software development.... targeting screen sizes??? Maybe ATM machines or a Dreamcast VMU? Doesn't seem relevant to game rendering..... Anyway, the Series S will probably be fine and offers a lot for the $$$, specially when paired with game pass. I just can't help but feel it is why we are seeing delays and not much is really pushing the Series X. But that is just speculation on my part from what makes sense to me and what developers (credible ones) have said. I am excited to see what talented Xbox studio come up with in the next few years though!

@SplooshDmg Yeah, comparing multiplatform games to stuff from Naughty Dog, The Coalition, Playground, Santa Monica, Insomniac is ridiculous. These studios probably get to work with the hardware developers, get to focus on less platforms, have HUGE budgets and pretty much guaranteed sales! It is comparing the most advantaged to the ones fighting for a spot!

Have had less interest in PC myself lately, shader stutter drives me insane!! Haha, but I still find things I want... Like a GPD Win max 2 with 6800u🤩

@BAMozzy I do agree with what you are saying in many ways! If games where to use all these features (except VRS, that has been used and doesn't seem to make a meaningful difference) a game could look and run amazingly on the more limited XSS hardware. But that doesn't look to be the way things are going, UE5 seems to be more widely adopted than custom game engines that take advantage of these features. Also if even Xbox studios haven't used used these features yet it doesn't look good for less technically proficient AA and AAA to start using them anytime soon. Remember we are pretty much 2 years into this generation, it is about 30% done. The old One X and Pro are staying surprisingly relevant for a long time! A lot of what you are saying I see as theoretical and best case, but I guess we will see. I hope it turns out as you say, but it seems very optimistic to me.

I also agree with console APU and architecture pushing sometimes well beyond equivalent PC hardware. But that is mostly realized in 1st party games. Not every multiplatform game can be so custom tailored to specific hardware. It takes more work and time as evidenced by how long it takes for some 60fps patches to release on XSS.

Also using Gotham Knights as an example seems ridiculous. They couldn't even get the 30fps cap correct on any console and run awful on powerful PCs. And it doesn't look that good or do anything special. It is a worst case scenario. I could say Terraria runs well on Wii U and XSX. It is true, but doesn't mean XSX games should run on Wii U.

What I don't agree is comparing XSX and XSS to One and One X (and Playstation equivalents) Xbox One and Ps4 where the base lines and sold the most, settings and resolution where often improved for the X and Pro. XSS is not a base line, XSX and PS5 are. Xbox sells the least consoles and now have divided sales between two models. What multiplatform publisher/dev is going to look at possibly the lowest selling console as a baseline? Of course people that make games are going to resent it a bit, more work and time for the least profitable machine!

@trev666 I'm pretty sure it will be fine and supported for a long time. Even if Xbox allowed games to be XSX exclusive I bet most would still get a XSS version anyway. But I doubt Xbox will let games just be released on XSX, it would be too damaging to customer trust

@SplooshDmg your 3700x will probably be good for a long time, don't think there is much that will currently bottle neck on that at 60fps. Also seems like games are getting more gpu heavy if anything, will make your 3700x and 3080ti combo last quite a while.

@SplooshDmg I'm not trying to dunk on Xbox either. I think both X and S are great, and I also think the series S is awesome for the $$$ or if you have a 1080p display! I just wish the X wasn't as tethered to it. Some design choices also seem odd, like yhe fast CPU. It is cool and allows 120fps in lots of games, but how many people gaming budget focused have a 120hz display? Seems like more gpu or ram would make more sense.... it's like pairing a 3700x with a 1060. The 3700x will always be out running the 1060

@XxEvilAshxX if the game updated on your PC it will need to compile the shaders again. Will probably smooth out again after some play.... hopefully!

I would say 8/10 for me. But Scorn is one of those games that the score number is kind of useless unless you really know the reviewers tastes. The content of the review, how the game is described is what is important. I could easily see this being a 2 for some people